If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. I surrendered to a calling of God. If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. I stated that the danger comes from false teachers AND from those who allow the word of God to be compromised by turning a blind eye. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. That is just nuts. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. And they aint all wrong. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Firstly in the teaching. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. Market data provided by Factset. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Excellent post! My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. Market data provided by Factset. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. . Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Dear David, Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. So it wasnt all bad. or redistributed. That would indeed be ridiculous, but it is not my position and it is therefore wrong of you to argue as though it were. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. I hope this mature and open enough for you! [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. A decade later, he announced he had retracted this view via an article from Grace to You. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! Opinion Mark Wingfield. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. Im not sure that things work in quite the same way in the US. complete with standing ovation. I find this very revealing. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. 23,12! As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. Do they not see the danger of this? [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. It just looks weird. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. They do things right. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). 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